The problem is that xanthan gum (or guar gum or any other thickening gum) starts to swell in contact with water. What should I use to emulsify the mixture (gel-like, slightly runny) soya lecithin or xanthum gum or both? I will try salt again. Water 90.5%. If you are using a hand mixer, then you might have to reduce the quantity of Xanthan gum. If the xanthan gum particles are not well dispersed before hitting the liquid, they will clump and take longer to hydrate. Also – it is not that good in thickening high alkaline products, it is incompatible with metal ions. Transfer gel to airtight container and refrigerate for up to 1 month. If you are not fast or cautious enough, lumps create as the particles are being trapped in the gel. In contrast both xanthan gum types possess a much higher elastic modulus, even at the same concentration, resulting in highly elastic and firm gels. Is it potassium soap? We dissolved 0.6 g Xanthan gum in 100 mL H2O …and the result was s. 🙂, Hi, is it easy to use xanthan gum with spirulina watery extract. It gets tricky when you have water in oil emulsions, though. Xanthan gum is really giving it a slimy feel, that is normal and not desirable in shampoos for instance. 1% preservative Hi Ruthie, if you have surfactants instead of soap, you better use salt to thicken it. 3 cups of water (does not have to be boiling) and mix in a teaspoon or less of xanthan gum in it. Hi GGjaneful, you are very welcome, I am happy it works! My formula for my dish soap is mostly distilled water (45%) and liquid castille with the addition of some decyl glucoside & coco betaine plus glycerine, cirtus/limonene EO and polysorbate. – Cocamidopropyl hydroxysultaine 5% … you make small quantities at home – using a blender is not an option for you (it is simply too big! If you were not so far away I would kiss you.solved my problem. – Potasium Sorbate Imo, I do not think so. Using it with enough oils to combat that outcome seems to work, but I’m still super-cautious. With blender running on low, slowly add 1 tablespoon (9 grams) xanthan gum to vortex. The aim is to help it disperse enough so that when you add water in it, it does thicken evenly, since it absorbs water. It’s been a pleasure to read this post. thx a lot. I really did NOT enjoy working with this. This is easiest when using an immersion blender. (Did not add soy protein, Vit B, or scent for fear of having to toss the whole mess- which I did!) Can give an estimation for ratios of glycerin and Xantham gum? how much percentage xanthan gum & glycerin? 🙂 … I’d be really glad if you could help me with a recipe I’m looking forward to make . Mix together the xanthan gum with the aloe juice or distlled water. She had seen my thread and told me about part of what can cause flaking: "Sometimes, some conditioning agents that are cationic will form a chemical reaction with certain gelling agents (like carbomer, xanthan gum, pectin, etc.) 1. 1/2 tsp argon oil Because i have to heat the oil too. I’d be really kind if you could help. Hi JD – thanks for feedback, I did it the same way, but I found it very messy. So, heat the water and add it to glycerine with xanthan gum. To create xanthan gum, the Xanthomonas campestris bacterium is allowed to ferment on a sugar. Cannot remember how much gum i wasted. In these blends I use varying mixtures of cinnamon, clove, cedarwood, vanilla, orange, lemon, grapefruit, peppermint, eucalyptus, and lavender essential oils. My question is if is possibil to find an suspending agent to make it suspend in oil. The powder is not desolving! It is a microbial polysaccharide produced by natural fermentation by the bacterium Xanthomonas campestris. Thanks for being so thorough and sharing your fails and successes, it shows your passion and expertise. Then I could answer your question if xanthan gum would work…. I tried to heat it a little in a water bath like a double boiler and still nothing, I also stirred this quite a bit over the few days. – Disdoium EDTA Any thoughts or suggestions? 1. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And stir in how long? A gel scrub contains exfoliating particles which are suspended in the gel. But, the cannister is due to my own initiative. 🙂. However, it can be also the procedure you are using to mix everything togehter. but i have this question. I need it thicker. If using oil, then when to add gum? I have been debating on whether I should thicken my body wash or not. Increase speed to medium and process for 2 minutes. First off, thanks for sharing your expertise, it is so very appreciated! Hi Evik, I hope this message finds you well, I’m thinking about selling my soaps at the farmers market, so I need to perfect them. I was just about to try thickening my castile soap with xanthan. thanking you pls guide So if I understand, you wish to thicken your lotion? For all the others, see how (not) to dissolve xanthan gum…. I am creating a creamy smooth hand soap, recipe as follows: 40% liquid castile I usually mix the surfactants with water, heat it and then add to glycerine with xanthan.Do stir very gently so that you do not make too much bubbles. Thank you. Today, xanthan gum is accepted as a safe food additive in the United States, Canada, European countries, and many other countries. Powered by WordPress and Mystique theme by digitalnature | Copyright: Eva Budinska, Curious Soapmaker. Now I’ll try your method and I’ll keep you posted. Any suggestion advice comments are greatly appreciated! I was hoping to use xanthan gum to thicken the recipe. You need a proper emulsifier to do that. Keep in mind that the more gel and product you pile on onto your hair, the more flaking and residue you can expect. Recipe: If use castile soap (from koster keunen), and how can i thicken it if cannot use salt? i am also stuggling with all the dont’s. However, in soap there is not enough water for xanthan gum to get gelly. Xanthan gum is incompatible for instance with grapeseed extract, making unnice fibres. But this powdery substance, which forms a gel when combined with liquid, is also terrific to have on hand for many other uses: A touch of it can help prevent coarse ice crystals from forming in home-churned ice cream, bring a luxurious thickness to gravies and pan sauces, stabilize whipped cream, or even emulsify smoothies and keep them lush and velvety for hours. 1/4 cup distilled water Kirk, yes, any oil – it depends on your recipe! Moreover, with every dose the gel thickens and xanthan gum dissolves even worse. I love this kind of posts about what not to do or what didn’t work! I was reached the point of desperation… until I found today this post. Xanthan gum is most commonly used in home kitchens to help reinforce structure in gluten-free baked goods. ... flaking occurs. 10 drops of vitamin E (in jojoba) Hi You have no idea how long I have been trying to figure out how not to get lumps in my body wash. I have tried it with Argan oil and olive oil but after days sitting in the oil it’s still a sandy, gritty clump sitting at the bottom of the jar. I hope this helps. 3. So ditto Seabee’s question, and add: Can liquid hand soap be made from a concentrated liquid dish soap + XG mixed into oil (almond) + water + essential oils for scent? Could you try without? It’s a bit runny, but works really well. I expect the citrus nature of some of these oils to have a thinning affect if I were to use salt as a thickener and you’ve mentioned that you do not recommend xanthan gum for liquid castile soap. 2. 2) What is the recipe for the cleanser? I would like to make a water based hard gel deodorant. So I was wondering about using CMC instead as the thickening agent… Add in the xanthan gum slowly, with lots of stirring or agitation, into cold or heated deionized water until the solution is clear and begins to thicken. Hello again Evik! hi Evik. It’s too runny so I want to thicken and stabilize the PB. Dehydroxanthan Gum- This is a naturally-derived, modified form of xanthan gum that provides great hold, humidity resistance and minimal flaking. Xanthan Gum has the bane of my existence in formulating skin care products at home – but not anymore 🙂. This is the recipe: 1/2 cup almond or olive oil (Infused with chamomile) Leave me yours in the comments! 2. please advice the best possible preservative for Rose water, please advice how can we thicken gylcerine with loosing its transparency, viscosity and other properties. Do not forget to take notes of how much of what you added (it is easier to do so if you measure by weight). In 1968, it was approved for use in foods. Thanks, again, – Georgia. Will it dissolve in just the oil of the PB? 🙂. or is benzoin better? 1) when i use xanthum gum , it gives some fibrous, gritty or ununiform texture to finished product but product become thick Or stearic acid ?? I will try this thank you so much. If you need thicker product, add more salt. Gums such as Xanthum, Acacia, Tragacanth, Carageenan, Sclerotium and Konjac are commonly used in cosmetics to form gels. Hi Yaduvara, what you are describing maybe reason of incompatibility of some ingredients. how to increase transparency of the guar gum/ xanthan gum/ glycerin liquid. you name it! Xanthan gum is a common additive in a variety of foods such as ice cream, yogurt, sauces, and dressings, as well as gluten-free baked goods.It is a corn-based, fermented product that is made by fermenting corn sugar with a microbial called "Xanthomonas campestris." So – no, there are better ways how to harden solid bar – using salt, discounting water content, using oils with high palmitic or stearic acid content, adding stearic acid or beeswax…, when i mix oil with my product (one spices)….oil is separated out and make a layer on top. omg. How does xanthan gum affect lather creaminess, especially uf I’ll also use fresh aloe gel ? Do you have any advice to make it thicker? 1/4 cup beeswax i just make it however i want, and then filter out the clumps using a standard kitchen sifter. Results of gel strength evaluation of face gel formulations thickened with one of the two xanthan gum types or with carrageenan. ... Keep a list of all your medications with you, and share the list with your doctor and pharmacist. Hi Sunil – if you cannot add oil, than you can use glycerin. Thank you and God bless you. My recipe is 2/3 cup water. Hello. Hi Anthony, yes, some of the emulsifiers have no trouble with the one-pot technique. So, its quantity used also depends on the consistency of flax gel. Proceed to mix water and add the glycerin to the water and continue to. Hereby, I present you my most favourite method of how to dissolve xanthan gum: The problem is that xanthan gum (or guar gum or any other thickening gum) starts to swell in contact with water. Evik … you’ve saved my sanity. thank you si so much.ur a life saver. Xanthan gum is a versatile thickener, and is a great substitute for eggs in baking recipes. Then adding all the other surfactants followed by other ingredients to the gel with slow stirring for about 15 minutes. I found if I use the hand blender that would do the trick but also if I put some Xantham gum powder into a squise bottle and leave it for a few days, that worked as well. And, would the guar gum dissolve better with heat? With blender running on low, slowly add 1 tablespoon (9 grams) xanthan gum to vortex. Hi Valerie! Really enjoyed reading this. I added Xanthum at .1% and no thickening happened at all! (I’m new to all this, it’s going to be my first experiment) and hence hope it doesn’t go wrong. The more xanthan gum you use, the denser your baked good will be. Great article! Hi evik, I would like to start a business for all natural self-care products for men and I expect to have 5 different scents that serve as themed lines for my products (soap, beard oil, pomade, body wash/shampoo, etc.). Simply omit the eggs and whisk 1 to 2 tsp (2 1/2 to 5 g) of xanthan gum into your dry ingredients. works just fine. Then add your heated oils. Thank you for taking the time to answer. For your liquid soap, I don’t think it will work long term, since sodium soap (bar soap) eventually separates from water. Gums are worse, as they tend to swell, making it even more difficult to dissolve. (Coco betaine and decyl glucoside) I totally forgot to drop ph of surfactants (8.1) before adding the guar/water mix. The result is a gel that is then dried and milled to create the powder substance. my priority is to make a natural soap product so I am thinking of adding XG, Gum Arabic or corn starch. If you do not have oil, use small amount of glycerin. gel. Omg thank you are the bomb.com i make my own products and everytime i thicken my shampoo its a mess. – Glycerin But it has two challenges: Since very tiny amounts are usually required, unless you have a gram scale, it’s hard to use in applications with only a cup or two of liquid. I’m in the same situation. Xanthan gum never creates a hard gel, but rather an elastic thick gel. You mentioned that Xanthan gum would not make it hard enough, could you please guide me. Hi, I made dishwashing liquid soap .But i cannot get solution as thicken, please suggest me which gum i can use for making liquid solution thick.. I have a beautiful bar of pure castile soap- 95% olive oil, to which I add water, vitamin e as a preservative and essential oils to make a liquid soap. As soon as I saw the idea I ran to try it. Xanthan gum is actually very ph stable so flushing with acids or an alkaline solution will not work, especially if it has clumped. Xanthan gum is polysaccharide created through fermentation of sugar (glucose, sucrose, or lactose) b… If it is to make an emulsion, then what I do is I stir the oil with guar gum well to distribute it evenly and then right after I add it to the water phase, continuously stirring. ), 2. Before reading this post, i just add xathan gum directly to the water, and it was a mess. – Disodium cocoamphoacetate 5% Essential oils yaduvara dasa. Add in the Leucidal, or another natural preservative if you plan on keeping the gel for more than a few days. I found using a bullet blender worked well!…, Xanthane gum can be fully dissolved in water at normal temperature by vigorous stirring for 1 h. the amount of solvent Solvent must not be insufficient for its thicker nature. – Xanthan Gum The consistency comes out beautiful except yes, I do experience little gel like lumps once I’ve let it rest…. I use to prepare a set of products for cleaning, maintenance, and for other applications as well. This method works… but, I tell you what – I do not have patience, nor time for that… the small doses are really really small and xanthan gum is very light so if you try to dissolve 1-2%, or even more, it is a fairly large volume to work with. © 2020 America's Test Kitchen. I tried this tonight with guar gum on a shampoo formulation that does not have an oil phase. provided you are a woman! Let it dissolve without stirring and then stir it in. 2) when i avoid using xanthum gum, cream became thin & very light but its texture is fine If you share the recipe, I could help with that. yours sincerely Thanks. When adding to oils, you can heat your gum with oils first (do not overheat!) Moreover! I TRIED THE XANTHAN AT 1/4 TSP AND IT DID NOTHING. Hi Beatriz, it seems to me that this lotion would be rather a balm, certainly not liquid, did you already try it? Hello. I may attempt your method…. Now I’ll try your method and I’ll keep you posted. I have been trying to recreate a great natural hair pomade that i originally made with beeswax bit i am now attempting to make it vegan. Thanks for the tip. I have every oil u can think of ans vegetable glycerin. The trick and beauty of this method is that if you dissolve xanthan gum in glycerin or oil, the particles won’t start to swell, but will get dispersed. I couldn’t find this info in any recipes. Hi Osman, well, thickening soap is very tricky. Hand blender or chopper makes the flax gel more runny because of its sharp blades. Xanthan gum does not dissolve in oils, it rather disperse in oil. 8-> Xanthan gum has medical uses for thickening liquids for people who have had strokes or other conditions that make it difficult to swallow thin liquids without choking. smells like heaven. I wondered if i could add xanthan gum to the recipe to try and get that same flexibility out of a plant based wax?? I don’t really like recipes with “kitchen” measures, since they are not very precise and it gets difficult to rescale them, however, you can do two things: cut on the almond/olive oil and increase coconut oil or beeswax – you can start with using 1/4 cup almond oil instead of 1/2 cup. My lotion is heat-method and i just wonder something. Xanthan gum is the better gum (in my opinion). What is a gel scrub? I have a question. GENERIC NAME(S): Xanthan Gum. First add the preservative to water and mix thoroughly. Marsha is the best! I have just tried this method with oil, it works perfect. this will be around food but not ingested. The thickening, stabilizing and emulsifying agent xanthan gum added to foods such as ice cream, cream cheese, yogurt, or salad dressing acts as as a thickening, stabilizing and emulsifying agent. Hi Evik! With xanthan gum, the process is even easier. Xanthan gum is a flavorless thickener used in many foods and other commercial products. Add these powders to the glycerin and mix till smooth. I’ve used xanthan gums with softer holds and others that form more rigid polymer structures. Nobody. Because the words are not enough to express what I am thinking of you and your need to share your passion and findings. I wish I’d come across this website earlier, all I’d aspired for since ling, compiled majestically in one place! I have already made my liquid soap and would like to add Xanthan gum to thicken it into a shower gel like consistency. We have an practise of adding xanthan into acid for mixing but it is slightly unsafe… is there other way to mix xanthan gum .. cant add oil. It is less likely to flake in hair - though it will if you use too much gel or too much xanthan gum in a gel. Hi Courtney, thank you for your post. Too little or too much too fast will result in a big lump difficult to dissolve. Hope its clear to understand. … you are trying to thicken a shampoo, liquid soap, or anything else that foams! They get it from frontier; you can use their store locator to find a local source. I am hoping that the Xanthan gum can help the lotion feel less greasy and more like lotion without adding water and an emulsifier. I confess – having to use a powdery ingredient that gets readily lumpy in my formulations is a nightmare for me. and then incorporate that mixture into the rest? My question is similar to comment #61 by Seabee1104. Or should I have just mixed the water and surfactants, dropped ph, then added the guar/glycerine mix? The solution: Prehydrate the powder to create a gel that you can simply whisk into liquid in easy-to-measure amounts. Hi Adrian, I am not really sure why would you like your guar gum remain suspended in oil for long time. This entry was posted by evik on September 24, 2013 at 11:26, and is filed under about ingredients, cosmetics making. I am new to making shampoos and trying to keep this formulation as simple as possible! Thank you. Finally, I always give up when around 2/3 of the xanthan gum is dissolved (10 minutes) and just verse the rest into the formulation, hoping crazy stirring will help… it does not…. Hi pinakin, if you are mixing water-based product (I don’t know what it is you use) with oils, xanthan gum won’t help you. Thanks. I was inspecting the ingredients and remarked them using glycerin. 20% oil Thank you so much. Xanthan gum won’t work, nor the corn starch and I believe nor the arabic gum. Add in the xanthan gum slowly, with lots of stirring or agitation, into cold or heated deionized water until the solution is clear and begins to thicken. Great Work. is there a particular in making lotion without heating oil phase ans water separately.? Oh, thank you thank you thank you for this wonderfully simple solution! Hi Abhay, your liquid soap is made from which ingredients? Recently, I got quite a few questions from you on how to make a LUSH shower jelly. Chia seeds can also be used in place of xanthan gum for keto smoothies and drinks. I’m trying to make a gel/ serum with 1-2% oil and remaining rose water (with rosemary E.O and Vit E oil as a preservative. It is the first I have seen it. Works great but in 20 min 30% of guar was on the bottom. Learn how your comment data is processed. Many thanks for being there!! It depends a lot on the emulsifier and how good your blender is. I hope it does, cause I dont want to add water to it. Xanthan gum, guar gum, hyaluronic acid, allantoin…. Many thanks for being there!! The hold from xanthan gum gels is more flexible in the hair. – Citric acid, Creating a gel with 1% Xanthan, 2% Glycerin in hot water with strong stirring for 10 minutes first. Hi Annabelle, I believe the best would be if you used only salt for thickening your castille soap – use about 1 teaspoon to 8 oz of soap. 1/4 cup coconut oil I went ahead and put into surfactants, where it stayed in clumps. Glycerin 5.00%. I tried to thicken some of those products (detergents basically) by using xanthan gum but failed because I couldn’t dissolve it well. Hi, can xanthan gum harden solid bar soap? You can also add in any essential oils that you like for scent and hair beneficial properties. Cause i have to heat the oil to 120°F And after adding water, may i stir it all right away? First add the preservative to water and mix thoroughly. Hi Ibtisam, I believe so, since spirulina should not affect xanthan gum properties. I use both Guar Gum and Glycerine in my sorbet and, thank to you, now know how to make it blend in smoothly! Now I am stumped. To stabilize whipped cream: Add 4 teaspoons to 2 cups heavy cream halfway through whipping. Keep stirring your mixture until it becomes more viscous; this could mean adding 10 to 15 minutes to your total baking time so that you can make your chia gel but it is a quality substitute for xanthan gum when baking. XG has been a huge source of frustration for me, and I thought I’d tried everything – except, of course, glycerine. Each requires a different blend of essential oils. ps (i will next formulate with a preservative, I like this in a foaming dispenser. 10% glycerin Thank You! Xanthan gum is a substance used in making some foods and medications.It has different effects in these products: It can add thickness, keep textures from changing, and hold ingredients in place. I have read about potassium liquid soap thickening with salt solution, but only tried it once with no results. …your guide to making natural soap and other bath & body products! I ADDED ANOTHER 1/4 TSP AND I ENDED UP WITH AN OVERLY FROTHY GEL LIKE SUBSTANCE THAT EXPANDED AND MADE IT DIFFICULT TO PUT INTO A CONTAINER. i got the ans when i need it most urgently. Thank you for sharing this info! Mix it for a few minutes and it will gel up immediately. 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